I bought 2 pair, one in black/avignon/plaid and the other in black. I will first talk about the black/avignon/plaid pant. It fits well, not too high on the waist for me (mid-rise). It is mostly dark gray as the picture suggests, with black strands in the weave to make the plaid, but what it doesn't show very well (at least from what I could make out), is that there is a single RED strand going throughout the plaid, which I LOVE! I do suggest, however that there ought to be a name change to more adequately describe the color, perhaps dark gray/red/plaid...as "avignon" isn't a color, but a place, and one that doesn't exactly suggest that there is red included in the design as it is a papal residence or commune in SE France (I googled it), which confuses me, but I digress. The good news is that I LOVE red, so this little surprise was a welcome one, however if you don't like red, consider this to be your warning. I did want to point out that the single red thread in the plaid pattern is very subtle and only continues in the plaid about every 3-4 inches and most people probably won't even notice it. You could still wear the plaid pattern with just about anything, regardless of the red thread, but my red shoes look so cute with it, I suggest that if you have red shoes that you love, buy these pants, put them on, pair with your red shoes, and you will get a lot of compliments. I did, and I'm fat! I am 5'5", weigh just over 200 lbs, have an apple shape figure and am anywhere from a women's size 14 to 16. I got a ton of compliments on my red shoes, that these pants really accentuate. I got my pants in a size 14 and they fit great on my pudgy frame and make me look slimmer than I am. They don't cut into my waist, but don't sag down either. The leg length is perfect as well; they are not too short and not too long (BTW, my torso to leg length ratio is pretty equal, they are about the same length). There is a little bit of a stretch to the fabric, which I like, however it is not too stretchy (I can't stand a pant that will stretch and lose its shape so that it has to be washed before you may wear them again). I work at a senior living facility doing office/filing work, but also need to be available to ambulate residents in emergencies, so my clothing must be versatile to fit the bill of being professional looking with ease of movement (I need stretchy pants!). The black pants seem very different to me from the plaid ones I just described above. I got the same size as the plaid, but they definitely feel different. The length is the same, however the waist goes up higher on my stomach and cuts inward more, which I don't like because I have an apple shape and it makes me have two stomach lumps. If the black is a true mid-rise, then the plaid ones are mid to low-rise, which I prefer. I feel like I have to pull them up slightly higher because of the lumps on my stomach, but then I have to deal with "camel toe." Yuck! So I pull them down a little to avoid that nastiness and vow to lose weight while I suck in my stomach lumps as much as possible. I know each pair of pant is sewn by a different person, so even in the same size, with the same material, two pants can fit completely differently, but these really feel like totally different styles. The black fabric is definitely different from the plaid and in the fashion of most of the other black pants I have owned in my life, they seem to attract every "fuzzy" in the room. The material still stretches to suit my needs, and they aren't completely intolerable*, so I will keep them, but they just aren't nearly as wonderfully comfortable as my lovely plaid ones. (*Disclosure: If I had tried the black ones on in a store first, I wouldn't have bought them unless I was desperate.) I will be buying more of these pants in different colors, hopefully they will fit like the plaid, and not the black..
